Leylines by vaXzine

The Magical Mystical Leyline Locator

Leylines by vaXzine

Leylines by vaXzine

Tom Scott has produced this fantastic resource for finding out if you live on a leyline; simply enter your postcode and the application will show you leylines passing through that location overlain on a GoogleMap. Go on, have a go!

Everywhere I have tried has a number of significant leylines, particularly ones passing through Stonehenge (which of course, is probably significant and it must be the mystical powers of the monument which have drawn me in to work on its archaeology for nearly a decade now…).

Of course, leylines and apparent spatial patterns is a subject area where patterns and what appear to be patterns are two entirely different kettles of fish. We humans are great at inferring patterns where there are in actuality none, the good old leyline is a prime example of this. So whenever you see a paper or presentation on spatial patterning of archaeological sites, treat it with caution, particularly if everything leads back to Atlantis, some magical cosmological arrangement embodied in the landscape across vast swathes of countryside (the fact that group of fields actually looks a bit like a dog suckling her puppies is probably just over-interpretation), if it promises to ‘rewrite history’ or if it is ‘being dismissed by the establishment because they can’t handle the truth…’

And also remember overly specific yet poorly thought out pseudo-stats can be used to ‘prove’ many arguments and are used consistently in the fringes of spatial analysis in archaeology. For those who still doubt what I say and believe the significance of apparent rings of sites around Stonehenge or linear or other geometric patterns of otherwise unrelated sites (evidence of some underlying mystical unknown, of course…), please read this excellent article by Matt Parker, mathematician, on the spatial arrangement of Woolworths stores.

Cheers to Dan Pett for the heads up on the leyline generator 🙂

16 thoughts on “The Magical Mystical Leyline Locator

  1. Alan Gripton

    I would have thought that given the number of ancient locators available in Britain, the “over-interpretation” description would be far more apt for the existence of ley lines. Yes, they exist, but let’s not enter into a “join up all the dots” debate.
    I would be more impressed had you looked more carefully at the Malvern Zodiac and correctly/accurately described the Dogs constellation before dismissing it as “probably over-interpretation” – a cheap shot that conveniently ignores so much more.

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  2. paul Post author

    Please accept my apologies for any offence caused; that was not my intention. I am really interested in spatial patterns and spatial analysis, indeed that is my research topic. However, and please correct me if I’m off track at any point, it has been a while since I read your work…

    The apparent constellation in question is made up of field boundaries, correct? And these have supposedly been enshrined in the landscape a very long time ago? So, someone in prehistoric times formalised a cosmological view into landscape features which then survived to this very day? Now, forgive me if I’ve missed something, but is this not a case of observing something that looks a bit like something else rather than there being demonstrable evidence that the phenomenon really exists…?

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  3. Alan Gripton

    Okay, putting the knives away …. maybe the subject matter would be better discussed by email (to allow relevant graphics). Not only enshrined in the landscape by roads, tracks and field boundaries, but also ancient literature and astronomically correct. On the subject of ley lines, try looking for ley circles, then it gets a lot more interesting (graphic sent to your twitter).

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    1. paul Post author

      Yep, no knives here; only a warm virtual beer and friendly conversation. It would be great if we could discuss out here in the open where others can see. Easy enough to post images as needed.

      Having done work on landscape characterisation and map regression, one thing that would be very useful to support your theory is to look at the origins of the features you describe; are they of ancient origin or are they the result of eg Inclosure Act activities? Old maps are very useful in this regard.

      As for the ley-circles, as I recall (and please correct me if I’m misquoting you) but these are based on historical/archaeological sites of all periods? So we really are heading off into join the dots territory aren’t we…? As Matt Parker demonstrated with his Woolworths work, when you have a large number of dots (and there are many historical/archaeological sites in the landscape) it is possible to find all sorts of patterns. I would be more convinced if the sites in question had some more solid relationships other than the purely spatial patterns observed.

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  4. Alan Gripton

    I think I stated that the sites were all of ancient origin – the problem lies in the superimposition of later sites directly over that of a far earlier culture, but that problem is almost dealt with by the law of probability, in as much as if a church or castle is sitting directly on an arc delineated by numerous tumulli, cairns or standing stones over a great distance, the chances are that it has been placed there at a later date (difficult to look under a castle). Initially, I ommited many that were chronologically doubtful, but even if I erased half of the sites, you would still be left with 200 ancient earthworks in concentric circles … and what are the mathematical chances of a dozen castles positioned on landscape equidistant from a single point? Better or worse than winning the National Lottery?
    Obviously at the centre of this system lies the Malvern Zodiac, sitting within an ecliptic circle of 39.6 miles circumference (6.3 mile radius). Stonehenge itself sits on a circle of 396 miles circumference (63 mile radius) – and should I ignore the fact that the radius of the earth is 3960 miles (mean measurements to within quarter-mile)?
    What are the chances of that?
    Okay, so sometimes I get frustrated talking to archaeologists, especially those who believe that text books are infallible – such circles shouldn’t (and therefore don’t) exist, or the culture that had the ability to construct such an over-sized (but accurate) astromical layout has no other indicators to back-up the theory of their existence.
    Maybe if I had not pursued the subject, I would also be on the side of the doubters. But then came the literature and the graphic allegories – Sumerian, Greek, Biblical – and any doubt was banished. From Gilgamesh to the Argonautica to the Labours of Herakles to the crucifixion – nobody said it would be easy.

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    1. paul Post author

      Dear Palden,
      If you have any evidence to support alternative views on leylines, please do let me know and I will update accordingly. Always happy to take on board new evidence.
      All best,
      Paul.

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      1. Palden Jenkins

        Hello Paul

        I have not addressed in writing the particular issues you’re concerned about. But my work down here, where I live, in West Cornwall, addresses many issues concerning the dating of sites, the accuracy of ancient site alignments and also a theoretical proposition concerning the reason why they exist – specifically in West Cornwall but generally applicable more widely. Here’s a page to start with http://ancientpenwith.org/nutshell.html

        Best wishes, Palden.

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  5. Sam Mackenzie

    Hi, I’m 100% sure I live on a ley line, especially after the earthquake 10 years ago. I cannot download an app on my phone. If I was to give you my postcode, could you clarify it for me, regards Sam

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